Defending Pyramid’s Design¶
From time to time, challenges to various aspects of Pyramid design are lodged. To give context to discussions that follow, we detail some of the design decisions and trade-offs here. In some cases, we acknowledge that the framework can be made better and we describe future steps which will be taken to improve it; in some cases we just file the challenge as “noted”, as obviously you can’t please everyone all of the time.
Pyramid Provides More Than One Way to Do It¶
A canon of Python popular culture is “TIOOWTDI” (“there is only one way to do it”, a slighting, tongue-in-cheek reference to Perl’s “TIMTOWTDI”, which is an acronym for “there is more than one way to do it”).
Pyramid is, for better or worse, a “TIMTOWTDI” system. For example, it includes more than one way to resolve a URL to a view callable: via url dispatch or traversal. Multiple methods of configuration exist: imperative configuration, configuration decoration, and ZCML (optionally via pyramid_zcml). It works with multiple different kinds of persistence and templating systems. And so on. However, the existence of most of these overlapping ways to do things are not without reason and purpose: we have a number of audiences to serve, and we believe that TIMTOWTI at the web framework level actually prevents a much more insidious and harmful set of duplication at higher levels in the Python web community.
Pyramid began its life as
repoze.bfg, written by a team of
people with many years of prior Zope experience. The idea of
traversal and the way view lookup works was stolen entirely
from Zope. The authorization subsystem provided by Pyramid is a
derivative of Zope’s. The idea that an application can be extended without
forking is also a Zope derivative.
Implementations of these features were required to allow the Pyramid
authors to build the bread-and-butter CMS-type systems for customers in the
way they were accustomed to building them. No other system save Zope itself
had such features. And Zope itself was beginning to show signs of its age.
We were becoming hampered by consequences of its early design mistakes.
Zope’s lack of documentation was also difficult to work around: it was hard
to hire smart people to work on Zope applications, because there was no
comprehensive documentation set to point them at which explained “it all” in
one consumble place, and it was too large and self-inconsistent to document
repoze.bfg went under development, its authors
obviously looked around for other frameworks that fit the bill. But no
non-Zope framework did. So we embarked on building
As the result of our research, however, it became apparent that, despite the fact that no one framework had all the features we required, lots of existing frameworks had good, and sometimes very compelling ideas. In particular, URL dispatch is a more direct mechanism to map URLs to code.
So although we couldn’t find a framework save for Zope that fit our needs, and while we incorporated a lot of Zope ideas into BFG, we also emulated the features we found compelling in other frameworks (such as url dispatch). After the initial public release of BFG, as time went on, features were added to support people allergic to various Zope-isms in the system, such as the ability to configure the application using imperative configuration rather than solely using ZCML, and the elimination of the required use of interface objects. It soon became clear that we had a system that was very generic, and was beginning to appeal to non-Zope users as well as ex-Zope users.
As the result of this generalization, it became obvious BFG shared 90% of its featureset with the featureset of Pylons 1, and thus had a very similar target market. Because they were so similar, choosing between the two systems was an exercise in frustration for an otherwise non-partisan developer. It was also strange for the Pylons and BFG development communities to be in competition for the same set of users, given how similar the two frameworks were. So the Pylons and BFG teams began to work together to form a plan to “merge”. The features missing from BFG (notably view handler classes, flash messaging, and other minor missing bits), were added, to provide familiarity to ex-Pylons users. The result is Pyramid.
The Python web framework space is currently notoriously balkanized. We’re truly hoping that the amalgamation of components in Pyramid will appeal to at least two currently very distinct sets of users: Pylons and BFG users. By unifying the best concepts from Pylons and BFG into a single codebase and leaving the bad concepts from their ancestors behind, we’ll be able to consolidate our efforts better, share more code, and promote our efforts as a unit rather than competing pointlessly. We hope to be able to shortcut the pack mentality which results in a much larger duplication of effort, represented by competing but incredibly similar applications and libraries, each built upon a specific low level stack that is incompatible with the other. We’ll also shrink the choice of credible Python web frameworks down by at least one. We’re also hoping to attract users from other communities (such as Zope’s and TurboGears’) by providing the features they require, while allowing enough flexibility to do things in a familiar fashion. Some overlap of functionality to achieve these goals is expected and unavoidable, at least if we aim to prevent pointless duplication at higher levels. If we’ve done our job well enough, the various audiences will be able to coexist and cooperate rather than firing at each other across some imaginary web framework “DMZ”.
Pyramid Uses A Zope Component Architecture (“ZCA”) Registry¶
Pyramid uses a Zope Component Architecture (ZCA) “component registry” as its application registry under the hood. This is a point of some contention. Pyramid is of a Zope pedigree, so it was natural for its developers to use a ZCA registry at its inception. However, we understand that using a ZCA registry has issues and consequences, which we’ve attempted to address as best we can. Here’s an introspection about Pyramid use of a ZCA registry, and the trade-offs its usage involves.
The “global” API that may be used to access data in a ZCA “component
registry” is not particularly pretty or intuitive, and sometimes it’s just
plain obtuse. Likewise, the conceptual load on a casual source code reader
of code that uses the ZCA global API is somewhat high. Consider a ZCA
neophyte reading the code that performs a typical “unnamed utility” lookup
zope.component.getUtility() global API:
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from pyramid.interfaces import ISettings from zope.component import getUtility settings = getUtility(ISettings)
After this code runs,
settings will be a Python dictionary. But it’s
unlikely that any “civilian” would know that just by reading the code. There
are a number of comprehension issues with the bit of code above that are
First, what’s a “utility”? Well, for the purposes of this discussion, and for the purpose of the code above, it’s just not very important. If you really want to know, you can read this. However, still, readers of such code need to understand the concept in order to parse it. This is problem number one.
Second, what’s this
ISettings thing? It’s an interface. Is that
important here? Not really, we’re just using it as a “key” for some lookup
based on its identity as a marker: it represents an object that has the
dictionary API, but that’s not very important in this context. That’s
problem number two.
Third of all, what does the
getUtility function do? It’s performing a
lookup for the
ISettings “utility” that should return.. well, a utility.
Note how we’ve already built up a dependency on the understanding of an
interface and the concept of “utility” to answer this question: a bad
sign so far. Note also that the answer is circular, a really bad sign.
Fourth, where does
getUtility look to get the data? Well, the “component
registry” of course. What’s a component registry? Problem number four.
Fifth, assuming you buy that there’s some magical registry hanging around, where is this registry? Homina homina... “around”? That’s sort of the best answer in this context (a more specific answer would require knowledge of internals). Can there be more than one registry? Yes. So which registry does it find the registration in? Well, the “current” registry of course. In terms of Pyramid, the current registry is a thread local variable. Using an API that consults a thread local makes understanding how it works non-local.
You’ve now bought in to the fact that there’s a registry that is just
“hanging around”. But how does the registry get populated? Why, via code
that calls directives like
config.add_view. In this particular case,
however, the registration of
ISettings is made by the framework itself
“under the hood”: it’s not present in any user configuration. This is
extremely hard to comprehend. Problem number six.
Clearly there’s some amount of cognitive load here that needs to be borne by a reader of code that extends the Pyramid framework due to its use of the ZCA, even if he or she is already an expert Python programmer and whom is an expert in the domain of web applications. This is suboptimal.
First, the primary amelioration: Pyramid does not expect application developers to understand ZCA concepts or any of its APIs. If an application developer needs to understand a ZCA concept or API during the creation of a Pyramid application, we’ve failed on some axis.
Instead, the framework hides the presence of the ZCA registry behind
special-purpose API functions that do use ZCA APIs. Take for example the
pyramid.security.authenticated_userid function, which returns the userid
present in the current request or
None if no userid is present in the
current request. The application developer calls it like so:
from pyramid.security import authenticated_userid userid = authenticated_userid(request)
He now has the current user id.
Under its hood however, the implementation of
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def authenticated_userid(request): """ Return the userid of the currently authenticated user or ``None`` if there is no authentication policy in effect or there is no currently authenticated user. """ registry = request.registry # the ZCA component registry policy = registry.queryUtility(IAuthenticationPolicy) if policy is None: return None return policy.authenticated_userid(request)
Using such wrappers, we strive to always hide the ZCA API from application developers. Application developers should just never know about the ZCA API: they should call a Python function with some object germane to the domain as an argument, and it should returns a result. A corollary that follows is that any reader of an application that has been written using Pyramid needn’t understand the ZCA API either.
Hiding the ZCA API from application developers and code readers is a form of enhancing “domain specificity”. No application developer wants to need to understand the minutiae of the mechanics of how a web framework does its thing. People want to deal in concepts that are closer to the domain they’re working in: for example, web developers want to know about users, not utilities. Pyramid uses the ZCA as an implementation detail, not as a feature which is exposed to end users.
However, unlike application developers, framework developers, including people who want to override Pyramid functionality via preordained framework plugpoints like traversal or view lookup must understand the ZCA registry API.
Pyramid framework developers were so concerned about conceptual load
issues of the ZCA registry API for framework developers that a replacement
repoze.component was actually developed. Though this package
has a registry implementation which is fully functional and well-tested, and
its API is much nicer than the ZCA registry API, work on it was largely
abandoned and it is not used in Pyramid. We continued to use a ZCA
registry within Pyramid because it ultimately proved a better fit.
We continued using ZCA registry rather than disusing it in favor of using the
registry implementation in
repoze.component largely because the ZCA
concept of interfaces provides for use of an interface hierarchy, which is
useful in a lot of scenarios (such as context type inheritance). Coming up
with a marker type that was something like an interface that allowed for this
functionality seemed like it was just reinventing the wheel.
Making framework developers and extenders understand the ZCA registry API is a trade-off. We (the Pyramid developers) like the features that the ZCA registry gives us, and we have long-ago borne the weight of understanding what it does and how it works. The authors of Pyramid understand the ZCA deeply and can read code that uses it as easily as any other code.
But we recognize that developers who might want to extend the framework are not as comfortable with the ZCA registry API as the original developers are with it. So, for the purposes of being kind to third-party Pyramid framework developers in, we’ve drawn some lines in the sand.
In all “core” code, We’ve made use of ZCA global API functions such as
zope.component.getAdapter the exception
instead of the rule. So instead of:
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from pyramid.interfaces import IAuthenticationPolicy from zope.component import getUtility policy = getUtility(IAuthenticationPolicy)
Pyramid code will usually do:
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from pyramid.interfaces import IAuthenticationPolicy from pyramid.threadlocal import get_current_registry registry = get_current_registry() policy = registry.getUtility(IAuthenticationPolicy)
While the latter is more verbose, it also arguably makes it more obvious what’s going on. All of the Pyramid core code uses this pattern rather than the ZCA global API.
Here are the main rationales involved in the Pyramid decision to use the ZCA registry:
- Pedigree. A nontrivial part of the answer to this question is “pedigree”. Much of the design of Pyramid is stolen directly from Zope. Zope uses the ZCA registry to do a number of tricks. Pyramid mimics these tricks, and, because the ZCA registry works well for that set of tricks, Pyramid uses it for the same purposes. For example, the way that Pyramid maps a request to a view callable using traversal is lifted almost entirely from Zope. The ZCA registry plays an important role in the particulars of how this request to view mapping is done.
- Features. The ZCA component registry essentially provides what can be considered something like a “superdictionary”, which allows for more complex lookups than retrieving a value based on a single key. Some of this lookup capability is very useful for end users, such as being able to register a view that is only found when the context is some class of object, or when the context implements some interface.
- Singularity. There’s only one “place” where “application configuration” lives in a Pyramid application: in a component registry. The component registry answers questions made to it by the framework at runtime based on the configuration of an application. Note: “an application” is not the same as “a process”, multiple independently configured copies of the same Pyramid application are capable of running in the same process space.
- Composability. A ZCA component registry can be populated imperatively, or there’s an existing mechanism to populate a registry via the use of a configuration file (ZCML, via pyramid_zcml). We didn’t need to write a frontend from scratch to make use of configuration-file-driven registry population.
- Pluggability. Use of the ZCA registry allows for framework extensibility via a well-defined and widely understood plugin architecture. As long as framework developers and extenders understand the ZCA registry, it’s possible to extend Pyramid almost arbitrarily. For example, it’s relatively easy to build a directive that registers several views “all at once”, allowing app developers to use that directive as a “macro” in code that they write. This is somewhat of a differentiating feature from other (non-Zope) frameworks.
- Testability. Judicious use of the ZCA registry in framework code makes testing that code slightly easier. Instead of using monkeypatching or other facilities to register mock objects for testing, we inject dependencies via ZCA registrations and then use lookups in the code find our mock objects.
- Speed. The ZCA registry is very fast for a specific set of complex lookup scenarios that Pyramid uses, having been optimized through the years for just these purposes. The ZCA registry contains optional C code for this purpose which demonstrably has no (or very few) bugs.
- Ecosystem. Many existing Zope packages can be used in Pyramid with few (or no) changes due to our use of the ZCA registry.
If you only develop applications using Pyramid, there’s not much to complain about here. You just should never need to understand the ZCA registry API: use documented Pyramid APIs instead. However, you may be an application developer who doesn’t read API documentation because it’s unmanly. Instead you read the raw source code, and because you haven’t read the documentation, you don’t know what functions, classes, and methods even form the Pyramid API. As a result, you’ve now written code that uses internals and you’ve painted yourself into a conceptual corner as a result of needing to wrestle with some ZCA-using implementation detail. If this is you, it’s extremely hard to have a lot of sympathy for you. You’ll either need to get familiar with how we’re using the ZCA registry or you’ll need to use only the documented APIs; that’s why we document them as APIs.
If you extend or develop Pyramid (create new directives, use some of the more obscure “hooks” as described in Using Hooks, or work on the Pyramid core code), you will be faced with needing to understand at least some ZCA concepts. In some places it’s used unabashedly, and will be forever. We know it’s quirky, but it’s also useful and fundamentally understandable if you take the time to do some reading about it.
Pyramid Uses Interfaces Too Liberally¶
In this TOPP Engineering blog entry,
Ian Bicking asserts that the way
repoze.bfg used a Zope interface to
represent an HTTP request method added too much indirection for not enough
gain. We agreed in general, and for this reason,
1.1 (and subsequent versions including Pyramid 1.0+) added view
predicate and route predicate modifiers to view configuration.
Predicates are request-specific (or context -specific) matching
narrowers which don’t use interfaces. Instead, each predicate uses a
domain-specific string as a match value.
For example, to write a view configuration which matches only requests with
POST HTTP request method, you might write a
decorator which mentioned the
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from pyramid.view import view_config @view_config(name='post_view', request_method='POST', renderer='json') def post_view(request): return 'POSTed'
You might further narrow the matching scenario by adding an
predicate that narrows matching to something that accepts a JSON response:
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from pyramid.view import view_config @view_config(name='post_view', request_method='POST', accept='application/json', renderer='json') def post_view(request): return 'POSTed'
Such a view would only match when the request indicated that HTTP request
POST and that the remote user agent passed
application/json (or, for that matter,
application/*) in its
Accept request header.
“Under the hood”, these features make no use of interfaces.
Many “prebaked” predicates exist. However, use of only “prebaked” predicates,
however, doesn’t entirely meet Ian’s criterion. He would like to be able to
match a request using a lambda or another function which interrogates the
request imperatively. In
repoze.bfg version 1.2, we acommodate this by
allowing people to define “custom” view predicates:
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from pyramid.view import view_config from webob import Response def subpath(context, request): return request.subpath and request.subpath == 'abc' @view_config(custom_predicates=(subpath,)) def aview(request): return Response('OK')
The above view will only match when the first element of the request’s
Pyramid “Encourages Use of ZCML”¶
It doesn’t. In Pyramid 1.0, ZCML doesn’t ship as part of the core; instead it ships in the pyramid_zcml add-on package, which is completely optional. No ZCML is required at all to use Pyramid, nor any other sort of frameworky declarative frontend to application configuration.
Pyramid Uses “Model” To Represent A Node In The Graph of Objects Traversed¶
repoze.bfg documentation used to refer to the graph being traversed
when traversal is used as a “model graph”. A terminology overlap
confused people who wrote applications that always use ORM packages such as
SQLAlchemy, which has a different notion of the definition of a “model”. As
a result, in Pyramid 1.0a7, the tree of objects traversed is now renamed to
resource tree and its components are now named resource
objects. Associated APIs have been changed. This hopefully alleviates the
terminology confusion caused by overriding the term “model”.
Pyramid Does Traversal, And I Don’t Like Traversal¶
In Pyramid, traversal is the act of resolving a URL path to a resource object in a resource tree. Some people are uncomfortable with this notion, and believe it is wrong. Thankfully, if you use Pyramid, and you don’t want to model your application in terms of a resource tree, you needn’t use it at all. Instead, use URL dispatch to map URL paths to views.
The idea that some folks believe traversal is unilaterally “wrong” is understandable. The people who believe it is wrong almost invariably have all of their data in a relational database. Relational databases aren’t naturally hierarchical, so “traversing” one like a tree is not possible.
However, folks who deem traversal unilaterally wrong are neglecting to take into account that many persistence mechanisms are hierarchical. Examples include a filesystem, an LDAP database, a ZODB (or another type of graph) database, an XML document, and the Python module namespace. It is often convenient to model the frontend to a hierarchical data store as a graph, using traversal to apply views to objects that either are the resources in the tree being traversed (such as in the case of ZODB) or at least ones which stand in for them (such as in the case of wrappers for files from the filesystem).
Also, many website structures are naturally hierarchical, even if the data which drives them isn’t. For example, newspaper websites are often extremely hierarchical: sections within sections within sections, ad infinitum. If you want your URLs to indicate this structure, and the structure is indefinite (the number of nested sections can be “N” instead of some fixed number), a resource tree is an excellent way to model this, even if the backend is a relational database. In this situation, the resource tree a just a site structure.
Traversal also offers better composability of applications than URL dispatch, because it doesn’t rely on a fixed ordering of URL matching. You can compose a set of disparate functionality (and add to it later) around a mapping of view to resource more predictably than trying to get “the right” ordering of URL pattern matching.
But the point is ultimately moot. If you don’t want to use traversal, you needn’t. Use URL dispatch instead.
Pyramid Does URL Dispatch, And I Don’t Like URL Dispatch¶
In Pyramid, url dispatch is the act of resolving a URL path to a view callable by performing pattern matching against some set of ordered route definitions. The route definitions are examined in order: the first pattern which matches is used to associate the URL with a view callable.
Some people are uncomfortable with this notion, and believe it is wrong. These are usually people who are steeped deeply in Zope. Zope does not provide any mechanism except traversal to map code to URLs. This is mainly because Zope effectively requires use of ZODB, which is a hierarchical object store. Zope also supports relational databases, but typically the code that calls into the database lives somewhere in the ZODB object graph (or at least is a view related to a node in the object graph), and traversal is required to reach this code.
I’ll argue that URL dispatch is ultimately useful, even if you want to use
traversal as well. You can actually combine URL dispatch and traversal in
Pyramid (see Combining Traversal and URL Dispatch). One example of such a usage: if
you want to emulate something like Zope 2’s “Zope Management Interface” UI on
top of your object graph (or any administrative interface), you can register
a route like
<route name="manage" pattern="manage/*traverse"/> and then
associate “management” views in your code by using the
argument to a
view configuration, e.g.
context=".some.Resource" route_name="manage"/>. If you wire things up this
way someone then walks up to for example,
/manage/ob1/ob2, they might be
presented with a management interface, but walking up to
present them with the default object view. There are other tricks you can
pull in these hybrid configurations if you’re clever (and maybe masochistic)
Also, if you are a URL dispatch hater, if you should ever be asked to write an application that must use some legacy relational database structure, you might find that using URL dispatch comes in handy for one-off associations between views and URL paths. Sometimes it’s just pointless to add a node to the object graph that effectively represents the entry point for some bit of code. You can just use a route and be done with it. If a route matches, a view associated with the route will be called; if no route matches, Pyramid falls back to using traversal.
But the point is ultimately moot. If you use Pyramid, and you really don’t want to use URL dispatch, you needn’t use it at all. Instead, use traversal exclusively to map URL paths to views, just like you do in Zope.
Pyramid Views Do Not Accept Arbitrary Keyword Arguments¶
Many web frameworks (Zope, TurboGears, Pylons 1.X, Django) allow for their
variant of a view callable to accept arbitrary keyword or positional
arguments, which are “filled in” using values present in the
request.GET dictionaries or by values present in the “route match
dictionary”. For example, a Django view will accept positional arguments
which match information in an associated “urlconf” such as
def aview(request, poll_id): return HttpResponse(poll_id)
Zope, likewise allows you to add arbitrary keyword and positional arguments to any method of a resource object found via traversal:
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from persistent import Persistent class MyZopeObject(Persistent): def aview(self, a, b, c=None): return '%s %s %c' % (a, b, c)
When this method is called as the result of being the published callable, the Zope request object’s GET and POST namespaces are searched for keys which match the names of the positional and keyword arguments in the request, and the method is called (if possible) with its argument list filled with values mentioned therein. TurboGears and Pylons 1.X operate similarly.
Out of the box, Pyramid is configured to have none of these features.
pyramid view callables always accept only
no other arguments. The rationale: this argument specification matching done
aggressively can be costly, and Pyramid has performance as one of its
main goals, so we’ve decided to make people, by default, obtain information
by interrogating the request object within the view callable body instead of
providing magic to do unpacking into the view argument list.
However, as of Pyramid 1.0a9, user code can influence the way view callables are expected to be called, making it possible to compose a system out of view callables which are called with arbitrary arguments. See Using a View Mapper.
Pyramid Provides Too Few “Rails”¶
By design, Pyramid is not a particularly “opinionated” web framework. It has a relatively parsimonious feature set. It contains no built in ORM nor any particular database bindings. It contains no form generation framework. It has no administrative web user interface. It has no built in text indexing. It does not dictate how you arrange your code.
Such opinionated functionality exists in applications and frameworks built on top of Pyramid. It’s intended that higher-level systems emerge built using Pyramid as a base. See also Pyramid Applications are Extensible; I Don’t Believe In Application Extensibility.
Pyramid Provides Too Many “Rails”¶
Pyramid provides some features that other web frameworks do not. These are features meant for use cases that might not make sense to you if you’re building a simple “bespoke” web application:
- An optional way to map URLs to code using traversal which implies a walk of a resource tree.
- The ability to aggregate Pyramid application configuration from multiple
- View and subscriber registrations made using interface objects instead of class objects (e.g. Using Resource Interfaces In View Configuration).
- A declarative authorization system.
- Multiple separate I18N translation string factories, each of which can name its own “domain”.
These features are important to the authors of Pyramid. The Pyramid authors are often commissioned to build CMS-style applications. Such applications are often “frameworky” because they have more than one deployment. Each deployment requires a slightly different composition of sub-applications, and the framework and sub-applications often need to be extensible. Because the application has more than one deployment, pluggability and extensibility is important, as maintaining multiple forks of the application, one per deployment, is extremely undesirable. Because it’s easier to extend a system that uses traversal “from the outside” than it is to do the same in a system that uses URL dispatch, each deployment uses a resource tree composed of a persistent tree of domain model objects, and uses traversal to map view callable code to resources in the tree. The resource tree contains very granular security declarations, as resources are owned and accessible by different sets of users. Interfaces are used to make unit testing and implementation substitutability easier.
In a bespoke web application, usually there’s a single canonical deployment, and therefore no possibility of multiple code forks. Extensibility is not required; the code is just changed in-place. Security requirements are often less granular. Using the features listed above will often be overkill for such an application.
If you don’t like these features, it doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t use Pyramid. They are all optional, and a lot of time has been spent making sure you don’t need to know about them up-front. You can build “Pylons-1.X-style” applications using Pyramid that are purely bespoke by ignoring the features above. You may find these features handy later after building a “bespoke” web application that suddenly becomes popular and requires extensibility because it must be deployed in multiple locations.
Pyramid Is Too Big¶
“The Pyramid compressed tarball is almost 2MB. It must be enormous!”
No. We just ship it with test code and helper templates. Here’s a breakdown of what’s included in subdirectories of the package tree:
pyramid/ (except for
pyramd/tests and pyramid/paster_templates)
The actual Pyramid runtime code is about 10% of the total size of the tarball omitting docs, helper templates used for package generation, and test code. Of the approximately 19K lines of Python code in the package, the code that actually has a chance of executing during normal operation, excluding tests and paster template Python files, accounts for approximately 5K lines of Python code. This is comparable to Pylons 1.X, which ships with a little over 2K lines of Python code, excluding tests.
Pyramid Has Too Many Dependencies¶
This is true. At the time of this writing, the total number of Python package distributions that Pyramid depends upon transitively is 18 if you use Python 2.6 or 2.7, or 16 if you use Python 2.4 or 2.5. This is a lot more than zero package distribution dependencies: a metric which various Python microframeworks and Django boast.
zope.configuration packages on which
Pyramid depends have transitive dependencies on several other packages
We’ve been working with the Zope community to try to collapse and untangle
some of these dependencies. We’d prefer that these packages have fewer
packages as transitive dependencies, and that much of the functionality of
these packages was moved into a smaller number of packages.
It should be noted that Pyramid is positively lithe compared to Grok, a different Zope-based framework. As of this writing, in its default configuration, Grok has 109 package distribution dependencies. The number of dependencies required by Pyramid is many times fewer than Grok (or Zope itself, upon which Grok is based). Pyramid has a number of package distribution dependencies comparable to similarly-targeted frameworks such as Pylons 1.X.
We try not to reinvent too many wheels (at least the ones that don’t need
reinventing), and this comes at the cost of some number of dependencies.
However, “number of package distributions” is just not a terribly great
metric to measure complexity. For example, the
distribution on which Pyramid depends has a grand total of four lines
of runtime code. As noted above, we’re continually trying to agitate for a
collapsing of these sorts of packages into fewer distribution files.
Pyramid “Cheats” To Obtain Speed¶
Complaints have been lodged by other web framework authors at various times
that Pyramid “cheats” to gain performance. One claimed cheating
mechanism is our use (transitively) of the C extensions provided by
zope.interface to do fast lookups. Another claimed cheating mechanism
is the religious avoidance of extraneous function calls.
If there’s such a thing as cheating to get better performance, we want to cheat as much as possible. We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core code has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an amelioration, we’ve commented these sections liberally.
Pyramid Gets Its Terminology Wrong (“MVC”)¶
“I’m a MVC web framework user, and I’m confused. Pyramid calls the controller a view! And it doesn’t have any controllers.”
If you are in this camp, you might have come to expect things about how your existing “MVC” framework uses its terminology. For example, you probably expect that models are ORM models, controllers are classes that have methods that map to URLs, and views are templates. Pyramid indeed has each of these concepts, and each probably works almost exactly like your existing “MVC” web framework. We just don’t use the “MVC” terminology, as we can’t square its usage in the web framework space with historical reality.
People very much want to give web applications the same properties as common desktop GUI platforms by using similar terminology, and to provide some frame of reference for how various components in the common web framework might hang together. But in the opinion of the author, “MVC” doesn’t match the web very well in general. Quoting from the Model-View-Controller Wikipedia entry:
Though MVC comes in different flavors, control flow is generally as follows: The user interacts with the user interface in some way (for example, presses a mouse button). The controller handles the input event from the user interface, often via a registered handler or callback and converts the event into appropriate user action, understandable for the model. The controller notifies the model of the user action, possibly resulting in a change in the model's state. (For example, the controller updates the user's shopping cart.) A view queries the model in order to generate an appropriate user interface (for example, the view lists the shopping cart's contents). Note that the view gets its own data from the model. The controller may (in some implementations) issue a general instruction to the view to render itself. In others, the view is automatically notified by the model of changes in state (Observer) which require a screen update. The user interface waits for further user interactions, which restarts the cycle.
To the author, it seems as if someone edited this Wikipedia definition, tortuously couching concepts in the most generic terms possible in order to account for the use of the term “MVC” by current web frameworks. I doubt such a broad definition would ever be agreed to by the original authors of the MVC pattern. But even so, it seems most “MVC” web frameworks fail to meet even this falsely generic definition.
For example, do your templates (views) always query models directly as is claimed in “note that the view gets its own data from the model”? Probably not. My “controllers” tend to do this, massaging the data for easier use by the “view” (template). What do you do when your “controller” returns JSON? Do your controllers use a template to generate JSON? If not, what’s the “view” then? Most MVC-style GUI web frameworks have some sort of event system hooked up that lets the view detect when the model changes. The web just has no such facility in its current form: it’s effectively pull-only.
So, in the interest of not mistaking desire with reality, and instead of trying to jam the square peg that is the web into the round hole of “MVC”, we just punt and say there are two things: resources and views. The resource tree represents a site structure, the view presents a resource. The templates are really just an implementation detail of any given view: a view doesn’t need a template to return a response. There’s no “controller”: it just doesn’t exist. The “model” is either represented by the resource tree or by a “domain model” (like a SQLAlchemy model) that is separate from the framework entirely. This seems to us like more reasonable terminology, given the current constraints of the web.
Pyramid Applications are Extensible; I Don’t Believe In Application Extensibility¶
Any Pyramid application written obeying certain constraints is extensible. This feature is discussed in the Pyramid documentation chapters named Extending An Existing Pyramid Application and Advanced Configuration. It is made possible by the use of the Zope Component Architecture and within Pyramid.
“Extensible”, in this context, means:
- The behavior of an application can be overridden or extended in a particular deployment of the application without requiring that the deployer modify the source of the original application.
- The original developer is not required to anticipate any extensibility plugpoints at application creation time to allow fundamental application behavior to be overriden or extended.
- The original developer may optionally choose to anticipate an application-specific set of plugpoints, which may be hooked by a deployer. If he chooses to use the facilities provided by the ZCA, the original developer does not need to think terribly hard about the mechanics of introducing such a plugpoint.
Many developers seem to believe that creating extensible applications is “not worth it”. They instead suggest that modifying the source of a given application for each deployment to override behavior is more reasonable. Much discussion about version control branching and merging typically ensues.
It’s clear that making every application extensible isn’t required. The majority of web applications only have a single deployment, and thus needn’t be extensible at all. However, some web applications have multiple deployments, and some have many deployments. For example, a generic “content management” system (CMS) may have basic functionality that needs to be extended for a particular deployment. That CMS system may be deployed for many organizations at many places. Some number of deployments of this CMS may be deployed centrally by a third party and managed as a group. It’s useful to be able to extend such a system for each deployment via preordained plugpoints than it is to continually keep each software branch of the system in sync with some upstream source: the upstream developers may change code in such a way that your changes to the same codebase conflict with theirs in fiddly, trivial ways. Merging such changes repeatedly over the lifetime of a deployment can be difficult and time consuming, and it’s often useful to be able to modify an application for a particular deployment in a less invasive way.
If you don’t want to think about Pyramid application extensibility at all, you needn’t. You can ignore extensibility entirely. However, if you follow the set of rules defined in Extending An Existing Pyramid Application, you don’t need to make your application extensible: any application you write in the framework just is automatically extensible at a basic level. The mechanisms that deployers use to extend it will be necessarily coarse: typically, views, routes, and resources will be capable of being overridden. But for most minor (and even some major) customizations, these are often the only override plugpoints necessary: if the application doesn’t do exactly what the deployment requires, it’s often possible for a deployer to override a view, route, or resource and quickly make it do what he or she wants it to do in ways not necessarily anticipated by the original developer. Here are some example scenarios demonstrating the benefits of such a feature.
- If a deployment needs a different styling, the deployer may override the main template and the CSS in a separate Python package which defines overrides.
- If a deployment needs an application page to do something differently needs it to expose more or different information, the deployer may override the view that renders the page within a separate Python package.
- If a deployment needs an additional feature, the deployer may add a view to the override package.
As long as the fundamental design of the upstream package doesn’t change, these types of modifications often survive across many releases of the upstream package without needing to be revisited.
Extending an application externally is not a panacea, and carries a set of risks similar to branching and merging: sometimes major changes upstream will cause you to need to revisit and update some of your modifications. But you won’t regularly need to deal wth meaningless textual merge conflicts that trivial changes to upstream packages often entail when it comes time to update the upstream package, because if you extend an application externally, there just is no textual merge done. Your modifications will also, for whatever its worth, be contained in one, canonical, well-defined place.
Branching an application and continually merging in order to get new features and bugfixes is clearly useful. You can do that with a Pyramid application just as usefully as you can do it with any application. But deployment of an application written in Pyramid makes it possible to avoid the need for this even if the application doesn’t define any plugpoints ahead of time. It’s possible that promoters of competing web frameworks dismiss this feature in favor of branching and merging because applications written in their framework of choice aren’t extensible out of the box in a comparably fundamental way.
While Pyramid application are fundamentally extensible even if you
don’t write them with specific extensibility in mind, if you’re moderately
adventurous, you can also take it a step further. If you learn more about
the Zope Component Architecture, you can optionally use it to expose
other more domain-specific configuration plugpoints while developing an
application. The plugpoints you expose needn’t be as coarse as the ones
provided automatically by Pyramid itself. For example, you might
compose your own directive that configures a set of views for a prebaked
restview or somesuch) , allowing other people to refer to
that directive when they make declarations in the
includeme of their
customization package. There is a cost for this: the developer of an
application that defines custom plugpoints for its deployers will need to
understand the ZCA or he will need to develop his own similar extensibility
Ultimately, any argument about whether the extensibility features lent to applications by Pyramid are “good” or “bad” is mostly pointless. You needn’t take advantage of the extensibility features provided by a particular Pyramid application in order to affect a modification for a particular set of its deployments. You can ignore the application’s extensibility plugpoints entirely, and instead use version control branching and merging to manage application deployment modifications instead, as if you were deploying an application written using any other web framework.
Microframeworks Have Smaller Hello World Programs¶
Self-described “microframeworks” exist: Bottle and Flask are two that are becoming popular. Bobo doesn’t describe itself as a microframework, but its intended userbase is much the same. Many others exist. We’ve actually even (only as a teaching tool, not as any sort of official project) created one using BFG (the precursor to Pyramid). Microframeworks are small frameworks with one common feature: each allows its users to create a fully functional application that lives in a single Python file.
Some developers and microframework authors point out that Pyramid’s “hello world” single-file program is longer (by about five lines) than the equivalent program in their favorite microframework. Guilty as charged.
This loss isn’t for lack of trying. Pyramid is useful in the same circumstance in which microframeworks claim dominance: single-file applications. But Pyramid doesn’t sacrifice its ability to credibly support larger applications in order to achieve hello-world LoC parity with the current crop of microframeworks. Pyramid’s design instead tries to avoid some common pitfalls associated with naive declarative configuration schemes. The subsections which follow explain the rationale.
Application Programmers Don’t Control The Module-Scope Codepath (Import-Time Side-Effects Are Evil)¶
Please imagine a directory structure with a set of Python files in it:
. |-- app.py |-- app2.py `-- config.py
The contents of
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from config import decorator from config import L import pprint @decorator def foo(): pass if __name__ == '__main__': import app2 pprint.pprint(L)
The contents of
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import app @app.decorator def bar(): pass
The contents of
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L =  def decorator(func): L.append(func) return func
If we cd to the directory that holds these files and we run
given the directory structure and code above, what happens? Presumably, our
decorator decorator will be used twice, once by the decorated function
app.py and once by the decorated function
app2.py. Since each time the decorator is used, the list
config.py is appended to, we’d expect a list with two elements to be
printed, right? Sadly, no:
[chrism@thinko]$ python app.py [<function foo at 0x7f4ea41ab1b8>, <function foo at 0x7f4ea41ab230>, <function bar at 0x7f4ea41ab2a8>]
By visual inspection, that outcome (three different functions in the list)
seems impossible. We only defined two functions and we decorated each of
those functions only once, so we believe that the
will only run twice. However, what we believe is wrong because the code at
module scope in our
app.py module was executed twice. The code is
executed once when the script is run as
and then it is executed again when
app2.py imports the same file as
What does this have to do with our comparison to microframeworks? Many
microframeworks in the current crop (e.g. Bottle, Flask) encourage you to
attach configuration decorators to objects defined at module scope. These
decorators execute arbitrarily complex registration code which populates a
singleton registry that is a global defined in external Python module. This
is analogous to the above example: the “global registry” in the above example
is the list
Let’s see what happens when we use the same pattern with the Groundhog microframework. Replace the contents
app.py above with this:
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from config import gh @gh.route('/foo/') def foo(): return 'foo' if __name__ == '__main__': import app2 pprint.pprint(L)
Replace the contents of
app2.py above with this:
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import app @app.gh.route('/bar/') def bar(): 'return bar'
Replace the contents of
config.py above with this:
from groundhog import Groundhog gh = Groundhog('myapp', 'seekrit')
How many routes will be registered within the routing table of the “gh”
Groundhog application? If you answered three, you are correct. How many
would a casual reader (and any sane developer) expect to be registered? If
you answered two, you are correct. Will the double registration be a
problem? With our Groundhog framework’s
route method backing this
application, not really. It will slow the application down a little bit,
because it will need to miss twice for a route when it does not match. Will
it be a problem with another framework, another application, or another
decorator? Who knows. You need to understand the application in its
totality, the framework in its totality, and the chronology of execution to
be able to predict what the impact of unintentional code double-execution
The encouragement to use decorators which perform population of an external
registry has an unintended consequence: the application developer now must
assert ownership of every codepath that executes Python module scope
code. Module-scope code is presumed by the current crop of decorator-based
microframeworks to execute once and only once; if it executes more than once,
weird things will start to happen. It is up to the application developer to
maintain this invariant. Unfortunately, however, in reality, this is an
impossible task, because, Python programmers do not own the module scope
codepath, and never will. Anyone who tries to sell you on the idea that
they do is simply mistaken. Test runners that you may want to use to run
your code’s tests often perform imports of arbitrary code in strange orders
that manifest bugs like the one demonstrated above. API documentation
generation tools do the same. Some people even think it’s safe to use the
reload command or delete objects from
sys.modules, each of
which has hilarious effects when used against code that has import-time side
Global-registry-mutating microframework programmers therefore will at some
point need to start reading the tea leaves about what might happen if
module scope code gets executed more than once like we do in the previous
paragraph. When Python programmers assume they can use the module-scope
codepath to run arbitrary code (especially code which populates an external
registry), and this assumption is challenged by reality, the application
developer is often required to undergo a painful, meticulous debugging
process to find the root cause of an inevitably obscure symptom. The
solution is often to rearrange application import ordering or move an import
statement from module-scope into a function body. The rationale for doing so
can never be expressed adequately in the checkin message which accompanies
the fix and can’t be documented succinctly enough for the benefit of the rest
of the development team so that the problem never happens again. It will
happen again, especially if you are working on a project with other people
who haven’t yet internalized the lessons you learned while you stepped
through module-scope code using
pdb. This is a really pretty poor
situation to find yourself in as an application developer: you probably
didn’t even know your or your team signed up for the job, because the
documentation offered by decorator-based microframeworks don’t warn you about
Folks who have a large investment in eager decorator-based configuration that populates an external data structure (such as microframework authors) may argue that the set of circumstances I outlined above is anomalous and contrived. They will argue that it just will never happen. If you never intend your application to grow beyond one or two or three modules, that’s probably true. However, as your codebase grows, and becomes spread across a greater number of modules, the circumstances in which module-scope code will be executed multiple times will become more and more likely to occur and less and less predictable. It’s not responsible to claim that double-execution of module-scope code will never happen. It will; it’s just a matter of luck, time, and application complexity.
If microframework authors do admit that the circumstance isn’t contrived, they might then argue that “real” damage will never happen as the result of the double-execution (or triple-execution, etc) of module scope code. You would be wise to disbelieve this assertion. The potential outcomes of multiple execution are too numerous to predict because they involve delicate relationships between application and framework code as well as chronology of code execution. It’s literally impossible for a framework author to know what will happen in all circumstances. But even if given the gift of omniscience for some limited set of circumstances, the framework author almost certainly does not have the double-execution anomaly in mind when coding new features. He’s thinking of adding a feature, not protecting against problems that might be caused by the 1% multiple execution case. However, any 1% case may cause 50% of your pain on a project, so it’d be nice if it never occured.
Responsible microframeworks actually offer a back-door way around the problem. They allow you to disuse decorator based configuration entirely. Instead of requiring you to do the following:
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gh = Groundhog('myapp', 'seekrit') @gh.route('/foo/') def foo(): return 'foo' if __name__ == '__main__': gh.run()
They allow you to disuse the decorator syntax and go almost-all-imperative:
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def foo(): return 'foo' gh = Groundhog('myapp', 'seekrit') if __name__ == '__main__': gh.add_route(foo, '/foo/') gh.run()
This is a generic mode of operation that is encouraged in the Pyramid documentation. Some existing microframeworks (Flask, in particular) allow for it as well. None (other than Pyramid) encourage it. If you never expect your application to grow beyond two or three or four or ten modules, it probably doesn’t matter very much which mode you use. If your application grows large, however, imperative configuration can provide better predictability.
Astute readers may notice that Pyramid has configuration decorators too. Aha! Don’t these decorators have the same problems? No. These decorators do not populate an external Python module when they are executed. They only mutate the functions (and classes and methods) they’re attached to. These mutations must later be found during a “scan” process that has a predictable and structured import phase. Module-localized mutation is actually the best-case circumstance for double-imports; if a module only mutates itself and its contents at import time, if it is imported twice, that’s OK, because each decorator invocation will always be mutating an independent copy of the object its attached to, not a shared resource like a registry in another module. This has the effect that double-registrations will never be performed.
Routes (Usually) Need Relative Ordering¶
Consider the following simple Groundhog application:
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from groundhog import Groundhog app = Groundhog('myapp', 'seekrit') app.route('/admin') def admin(): return '<html>admin page</html>' app.route('/:action') def action(): if action == 'add': return '<html>add</html>' if action == 'delete': return '<html>delete</html>' return app.abort(404) if __name__ == '__main__': app.run()
If you run this application and visit the URL
/admin, you will see
“admin” page. This is the intended result. However, what if you rearrange
the order of the function definitions in the file?
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from groundhog import Groundhog app = Groundhog('myapp', 'seekrit') app.route('/:action') def action(): if action == 'add': return '<html>add</html>' if action == 'delete': return '<html>delete</html>' return app.abort(404) app.route('/admin') def admin(): return '<html>admin page</html>' if __name__ == '__main__': app.run()
If you run this application and visit the URL
/admin, you will now be
returned a 404 error. This is probably not what you intended. The reason
you see a 404 error when you rearrange function definition ordering is that
routing declarations expressed via our microframework’s routing decorators
have an ordering, and that ordering matters.
In the first case, where we achieved the expected result, we first added a
route with the pattern
/admin, then we added a route with the pattern
/:action by virtue of adding routing patterns via decorators at module
scope. When a request with a
/admin enters our
application, the web framework loops over each of our application’s route
patterns in the order in which they were defined in our module. As a result,
the view associated with the
/admin routing pattern will be invoked: it
matches first. All is right with the world.
In the second case, where we did not achieve the expected result, we first
added a route with the pattern
/:action, then we added a route with the
/admin. When a request with a
our application, the web framework loops over each of our application’s route
patterns in the order in which they were defined in our module. As a result,
the view associated with the
/:action routing pattern will be invoked: it
matches first. A 404 error is raised. This is not what we wanted; it just
happened due to the order in which we defined our view functions.
You may be willing to maintain an ordering of your view functions which
reifies your routing policy. Your application may be small enough where this
will never cause an issue. If it becomes large enough to matter, however, I
don’t envy you. Maintaining that ordering as your application grows larger
will be difficult. At some point, you will also need to start controlling
import ordering as well as function definition ordering. When your
application grows beyond the size of a single file, and when decorators are
used to register views, the non-
__main__ modules which contain
configuration decorators must be imported somehow for their configuration to
Does that make you a little uncomfortable? It should, because Application Programmers Don’t Control The Module-Scope Codepath (Import-Time Side-Effects Are Evil).
“Stacked Object Proxies” Are Too Clever / Thread Locals Are A Nuisance¶
In another manifestation of “import fascination”, some microframeworks use
import statement to get a handle to an object which is not logically
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from flask import request @app.route('/login', methods=['POST', 'GET']) def login(): error = None if request.method == 'POST': if valid_login(request.form['username'], request.form['password']): return log_the_user_in(request.form['username']) else: error = 'Invalid username/password' # this is executed if the request method was GET or the # credentials were invalid
The Pylons 1.X web framework uses a similar strategy. It calls these things “Stacked Object Proxies”, so, for purposes of this discussion, I’ll do so as well.
Import statements in Python (
from bar import baz) are
most frequently performed to obtain a reference to an object defined globally
within an external Python module. However, in “normal” programs, they are
never used to obtain a reference to an object that has a lifetime measured by
the scope of the body of a function. It would be absurd to try to import,
for example, a variable named
i representing a loop counter defined in
the body of a function. For example, we’d never try to import
i from the
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def afunc(): for i in range(10): print i
By its nature, the request object created as the result of a WSGI server’s
call into a long-lived web framework cannot be global, because the lifetime
of a single request will be much shorter than the lifetime of the process
running the framework. A request object created by a web framework actually
has more similarity to the
i loop counter in our example above than it
has to any comparable importable object defined in the Python standard
library or in “normal” library code.
However, systems which use stacked object proxies promote locally scoped
objects such as
request out to module scope, for the purpose of being
able to offer users a “nice” spelling involving
import. They, for what I
consider dubious reasons, would rather present to their users the canonical
way of getting at a
from framework import request instead
of a saner
from myframework.threadlocals import get_request; request =
get_request() even though the latter is more explicit.
It would be most explicit if the microframeworks did not use thread local variables at all. Pyramid view functions are passed a request object; many of Pyramid’s APIs require that an explicit request object be passed to them. It is possible to retrieve the current Pyramid request as a threadlocal variable but it is a “in case of emergency, break glass” type of activity. This explicitness makes Pyramid view functions more easily unit testable, as you don’t need to rely on the framework to manufacture suitable “dummy” request (and other similarly-scoped) objects during test setup. It also makes them more likely to work on arbitrary systems, such as async servers that do no monkeypatching.
Some microframeworks offer a
run() method of an application object that
executes a default server configuration for easy execution.
Pyramid doesn’t currently try to hide the fact that its router is a WSGI
application behind a convenience
run() API. It just tells people to
import a WSGI server and use it to serve up their Pyramid application as per
the documentation of that WSGI server.
The extra lines saved by abstracting away the serving step behind
seem to have driven dubious second-order decisions related to API in some
microframeworks. For example, Bottle contains a
for each type of WSGI server it supports via its
This means that there exists code in
bottle.py that depends on the
rocket. You choose the kind of server
you want to run by passing its name into the
run method. In theory, this
sounds great: I can try Bottle out on
gunicorn just by passing in a name!
However, to fully test Bottle, all of these third-party systems must be
installed and functional; the Bottle developers must monitor changes to each
of these packages and make sure their code still interfaces properly with
them. This expands the packages required for testing greatly; this is a
lot of requirements. It is likely difficult to fully automate these tests
due to requirements conflicts and build issues.
As a result, for single-file apps, we currently don’t bother to offer a
run() shortcut; we tell folks to import their WSGI server of choice and
run it “by hand”. For the people who want a server abstraction layer, we
suggest that they use PasteDeploy. In PasteDeploy-based systems, the onus
for making sure that the server can interface with a WSGI application is
placed on the server developer, not the web framework developer, making it
more likely to be timely and correct.
Here’s a diagrammed version of the simplest pyramid application, where comments take into account what we’ve discussed in the Microframeworks Have Smaller Hello World Programs section.
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from webob import Response # explicit response objects, no TL from paste.httpserver import serve # explicitly WSGI def hello_world(request): # accepts a request; no request thread local reqd # explicit response object means no response threadlocal return Response('Hello world!') if __name__ == '__main__': from pyramid.config import Configurator config = Configurator() # no global application object. config.add_view(hello_world) # explicit non-decorator registration app = config.make_wsgi_app() # explicitly WSGI serve(app, host='0.0.0.0') # explicitly WSGI
Pyramid Has Zope Things In It, So It’s Too Complex¶
On occasion, someone will feel compelled to post a mailing list message that reads something like this:
had a quick look at pyramid ... too complex to me and not really understand for which benefits.. I feel should consider whether it's time for me to step back to django .. I always hated zope (useless ?) complexity and I love simple way of thinking
(Paraphrased from a real email, actually.)
Let’s take this criticism point-by point.
If you can understand this hello world program, you can use Pyramid:
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from paste.httpserver import serve from pyramid.config import Configurator from pyramid.response import Response def hello_world(request): return Response('Hello world!') if __name__ == '__main__': config = Configurator() config.add_view(hello_world) app = config.make_wsgi_app() serve(app)
Pyramid has ~ 650 pages of documentation (printed), covering topics from the very basic to the most advanced. Nothing is left undocumented, quite literally. It also has an awesome, very helpful community. Visit the #repoze and/or #pylons IRC channels on freenode.net and see.
I’m sorry you feel that way. The Zope brand has certainly taken its share of lumps over the years, and has a reputation for being insular and mysterious. But the word “Zope” is literally quite meaningless without qualification. What part of Zope do you hate? “Zope” is a brand, not a technology.
If it’s Zope2-the-web-framework, Pyramid is not that. The primary designers
and developers of Pyramid, if anyone, should know. We wrote Pyramid’s
repoze.bfg), in part, because we knew that Zope 2 had
usability issues and limitations.
repoze.bfg (and now Pyramid)
was written to address these issues.
If it’s Zope3-the-web-framework, Pyramid is definitely not that. Making
use of lots of Zope 3 technologies is territory already staked out by the
Grok project. Save for the obvious fact that they’re both web
Pyramid is very, very different than Grok. Grok exposes
lots of Zope technologies to end users. On the other hand, if you need to
understand a Zope-only concept while using Pyramid, then we’ve failed on some
very basic axis.
If it’s just the word Zope: this can only be guilt by association. Because a
piece of software internally uses some package named
zope.foo, it doesn’t
turn the piece of software that uses it into “Zope”. There is a lot of
great software written that has the word Zope in its name. Zope is not
some sort of monolithic thing, and a lot of its software is usable
externally. And while it’s not really the job of this document to defend it,
Zope has been around for over 10 years and has an incredibly large, active
community. If you don’t believe this,
http://taichino.appspot.com/pypi_ranking/authors is an eye-opening reality
Years of effort have gone into honing this package and its documentation to make it as simple as humanly possible for developers to use. Everything is a tradeoff, of course, and people have their own ideas about what “simple” is. You may have a style difference if you believe Pyramid is complex. Its developers obviously disagree.